Your religion is stupid.
Mar. 22nd, 2006 11:00 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
pasitheaAs the title implies, this is directed at everyone, not just 'those christians' or something. Maybe I'll lose some friends over it but I need to say it.
Your religion is stupid. They're all stupid. They're a waste of time and they benefit the world NOTHING.
Blahblahblah god saved me from drinking/got me through some rough times/etc.
I know you're going to say it, I've heard it before. It's BULLSHIT. God didn't get you through jack. Maybe having a fantasy got you through it but it was your own inner strength that got you through it.
There aren't any fucking miracles. There's the skill of surgeons, the many years of study and education of people who make the world better, and there's random chance. It wasn't God that removed a tumor. It was a doctor. It was a nurse, an anesthesiologist, hundreds of years of study, etc. It's not a 'miracle we thank god for every day' that you survived. If you want to believe in God, who the fuck put the tumor there, huh? Was that just bad luck and then God came along and saved you? Riiiight.
Pissed off yet? Why? I guess there's some embarassment if you're the last kid of the block to realize there's no Santa Claus but that's life, and you grow up an learn that the spirit of giving is more important that your childish greed.
And that gets me to my proof that religion is stupid.
The universe is a HUGE place. We're tiny little specs on a single planet. Our planet is a tiny spec in our solar system. Our Sun is in a galaxy which contains more stars than all the people on Earth, and even our galaxy is just a spec in the universe and that's just what we can see with our limited senses. There could be millions of dimensions. We are so tiny that you can't even begin to understand it. It's utterly beyond us.
That puts us in quite a quandry for talk of God. You have two options if you REALLY want to believe in God. God is infinite and holds the entire universe or God is finite and limited.
If God is infinite, religion is supremely arrogant. To think for even a second that God made use masters of the universe, or cares in the slightest that we obey some absurdist set of rules is completely juvenille. It's akin to a 2-year-old who thinks they are the center of mommy's universe. The religious are but toddlers throwing a tantrum and banging some pots together. Furthermore: All the religious leaders say you must worship God in THEIR way. Books capture only a piece of a moment. They tell you only what the author sees. Two people experience a situation differently. If God is this vast and uncomprehendible, ANY attempt to describe it are utterly pointless. No book, no story, no set of rules will ever possibly be adequate. I know a hundred million times more about God than any religious person. There's no way you can disprove that. Just cling childishly to nonsensical texts, stamp your feet and say you MUST be right because someone wrote a book on it. It's stupid.
If God is finite, you're even more stupid. Now you've got the possibility for multiple Gods. Which one is the right one? There's no way to chose. Taking the religion your parents took is a damn poor ignorant way to chose. If you put any thought into it, you're just going to chose the one that's convenient. The one that you like the best. Determining your vision of the ruler of the world by a popularity contest based on the opinions of others. SHEER GENIUS. And what of the choices? Fucking rotten lot there. All of them have their bad parts. The best you could do is maybe buddism but that's more like atheism with some religious decorations on the outside. Most of the other Gods are petty and selfish, chilidish. Why would you WANT to worship a God that says you must suffer? If you're gay or eat pork or drink wine or whatever it is against your religion and God is going to punish you for all eternity because you weren't an obedient child, why would you WANT to worship that God? That's not love or caring. That's abuse and domination. If a stranger corner you in an alley and said, 'GET ON YOUR KNEES AND SUCK MY COCK OR I'LL BREAK YOUR KNEES', you probably wouldn't be talking about how great he was in the morning. You'd feel violated, hateful, resentful, vengeful. The finite God that makes demands is nothing but a petty thug. Who needs him? And if your God doesn't care what you do, what's the point in worshipping them?
I know you want to 'justify' your beliefs. You want to say 'God gives me comfort' or 'cultural heritage' or something else like that. It's all a bunch of excuses so you don't have to think about it. If you're angry, or trying to come up with a justification for your religion. Rather than bothering me with it and wasting my time debating your childish rage. Why don't you just think about why you're angry? I mean sure, it's because of what I said, but what specifically about it makes you angry. If you think you're smarter than me, I'd love to hear you prove to me beyond any shadow of doubt that YOUR religion is THE right one and that all of those other religions are wrong. Your proof must be rational enough that anyone will accept it. Even the most devout baptist, muslim, or hindu. And don't bother with the 'I just have a special feeling.' thing. That's not only unprovable, it's a lie. Maybe one that you believe but a lie none-the less. If you need proof, you need only look at the divorce rates. How many people have said, 'forever' and lost that conviction in less than a year.
When you work through your anger or contempt or whatever, please consider this: YOU have a lot of power within you. You can work to MAKE the world a better place. YOU have your own inner strength. All those bad times you got through was because YOU are strong. God, like Santa Claus. Nothing more than a lie to pacify children. You're a better person since you came to understand Santa was an idea instead of a person. You can grow even more if you let go of God. Learn to believe in yourself and the strength and beauty of all the other people around you. If you think the stories about God made you a better person. Fine, keep that. Use it. Just use it wisely. You can understand even more from the story once you accept that it's only fiction.
If you want to repost this, you may.
If you agree with me but you're afraid to take the heat for it, go ahead and reference this.
If you want to unfriend me. That's fine. I'm really that sick of religion and there are plenty of other people out there, and you can probably find someone else who doesn't challenge you as much.
If you want to scream and throw a tantrum, I'll ban you from my journal.
If you want to quietly suck it in an pretend I didn't say it, that's your choice. I'm sad you don't want to think about it.
If you think you can prove your religion is the right one and that your God is real beyond any shadow of a doubt, I'd love to hear it. Just make sure you've got a good tangible argument.
If you think you're clever and you're going to point out that I'm one of those nasty liberals who talks about freedom of thought but doesn't REALLY mean it. Save it. First off, that's a personal attack and has NOTHING to do with my arguments. Second: I would WELCOME an intelligent counter. Saying something ignorant like that is just a feeble attempt to change the topic. Lastly, it's not even a valid argument. This is my journal. I can ban anyone I want. I am NOT trying to prevent you from making a fool of yourself in public. I just don't feel like wasting my time on your ignorance.
Finally, if you're one of those ignorant pieces of produce who says, 'well, I guess we'll find out who's right in the end.' with the implication that God is gonna punish me for my attitude, not only are you a stupid fuck who hasn't listened at all but you're also a coward. I'd RATHER die on my feet in opposition to an abusive twisted little fuck than spend eternity stroking his ego. Don't say you'll pray for me anyhow or whatever. That's just disrespectful, and I'd just spit in your God's face.
That's it for now. I may add some more to this later.
Your religion is stupid. They're all stupid. They're a waste of time and they benefit the world NOTHING.
Blahblahblah god saved me from drinking/got me through some rough times/etc.
I know you're going to say it, I've heard it before. It's BULLSHIT. God didn't get you through jack. Maybe having a fantasy got you through it but it was your own inner strength that got you through it.
There aren't any fucking miracles. There's the skill of surgeons, the many years of study and education of people who make the world better, and there's random chance. It wasn't God that removed a tumor. It was a doctor. It was a nurse, an anesthesiologist, hundreds of years of study, etc. It's not a 'miracle we thank god for every day' that you survived. If you want to believe in God, who the fuck put the tumor there, huh? Was that just bad luck and then God came along and saved you? Riiiight.
Pissed off yet? Why? I guess there's some embarassment if you're the last kid of the block to realize there's no Santa Claus but that's life, and you grow up an learn that the spirit of giving is more important that your childish greed.
And that gets me to my proof that religion is stupid.
The universe is a HUGE place. We're tiny little specs on a single planet. Our planet is a tiny spec in our solar system. Our Sun is in a galaxy which contains more stars than all the people on Earth, and even our galaxy is just a spec in the universe and that's just what we can see with our limited senses. There could be millions of dimensions. We are so tiny that you can't even begin to understand it. It's utterly beyond us.
That puts us in quite a quandry for talk of God. You have two options if you REALLY want to believe in God. God is infinite and holds the entire universe or God is finite and limited.
If God is infinite, religion is supremely arrogant. To think for even a second that God made use masters of the universe, or cares in the slightest that we obey some absurdist set of rules is completely juvenille. It's akin to a 2-year-old who thinks they are the center of mommy's universe. The religious are but toddlers throwing a tantrum and banging some pots together. Furthermore: All the religious leaders say you must worship God in THEIR way. Books capture only a piece of a moment. They tell you only what the author sees. Two people experience a situation differently. If God is this vast and uncomprehendible, ANY attempt to describe it are utterly pointless. No book, no story, no set of rules will ever possibly be adequate. I know a hundred million times more about God than any religious person. There's no way you can disprove that. Just cling childishly to nonsensical texts, stamp your feet and say you MUST be right because someone wrote a book on it. It's stupid.
If God is finite, you're even more stupid. Now you've got the possibility for multiple Gods. Which one is the right one? There's no way to chose. Taking the religion your parents took is a damn poor ignorant way to chose. If you put any thought into it, you're just going to chose the one that's convenient. The one that you like the best. Determining your vision of the ruler of the world by a popularity contest based on the opinions of others. SHEER GENIUS. And what of the choices? Fucking rotten lot there. All of them have their bad parts. The best you could do is maybe buddism but that's more like atheism with some religious decorations on the outside. Most of the other Gods are petty and selfish, chilidish. Why would you WANT to worship a God that says you must suffer? If you're gay or eat pork or drink wine or whatever it is against your religion and God is going to punish you for all eternity because you weren't an obedient child, why would you WANT to worship that God? That's not love or caring. That's abuse and domination. If a stranger corner you in an alley and said, 'GET ON YOUR KNEES AND SUCK MY COCK OR I'LL BREAK YOUR KNEES', you probably wouldn't be talking about how great he was in the morning. You'd feel violated, hateful, resentful, vengeful. The finite God that makes demands is nothing but a petty thug. Who needs him? And if your God doesn't care what you do, what's the point in worshipping them?
I know you want to 'justify' your beliefs. You want to say 'God gives me comfort' or 'cultural heritage' or something else like that. It's all a bunch of excuses so you don't have to think about it. If you're angry, or trying to come up with a justification for your religion. Rather than bothering me with it and wasting my time debating your childish rage. Why don't you just think about why you're angry? I mean sure, it's because of what I said, but what specifically about it makes you angry. If you think you're smarter than me, I'd love to hear you prove to me beyond any shadow of doubt that YOUR religion is THE right one and that all of those other religions are wrong. Your proof must be rational enough that anyone will accept it. Even the most devout baptist, muslim, or hindu. And don't bother with the 'I just have a special feeling.' thing. That's not only unprovable, it's a lie. Maybe one that you believe but a lie none-the less. If you need proof, you need only look at the divorce rates. How many people have said, 'forever' and lost that conviction in less than a year.
When you work through your anger or contempt or whatever, please consider this: YOU have a lot of power within you. You can work to MAKE the world a better place. YOU have your own inner strength. All those bad times you got through was because YOU are strong. God, like Santa Claus. Nothing more than a lie to pacify children. You're a better person since you came to understand Santa was an idea instead of a person. You can grow even more if you let go of God. Learn to believe in yourself and the strength and beauty of all the other people around you. If you think the stories about God made you a better person. Fine, keep that. Use it. Just use it wisely. You can understand even more from the story once you accept that it's only fiction.
If you want to repost this, you may.
If you agree with me but you're afraid to take the heat for it, go ahead and reference this.
If you want to unfriend me. That's fine. I'm really that sick of religion and there are plenty of other people out there, and you can probably find someone else who doesn't challenge you as much.
If you want to scream and throw a tantrum, I'll ban you from my journal.
If you want to quietly suck it in an pretend I didn't say it, that's your choice. I'm sad you don't want to think about it.
If you think you can prove your religion is the right one and that your God is real beyond any shadow of a doubt, I'd love to hear it. Just make sure you've got a good tangible argument.
If you think you're clever and you're going to point out that I'm one of those nasty liberals who talks about freedom of thought but doesn't REALLY mean it. Save it. First off, that's a personal attack and has NOTHING to do with my arguments. Second: I would WELCOME an intelligent counter. Saying something ignorant like that is just a feeble attempt to change the topic. Lastly, it's not even a valid argument. This is my journal. I can ban anyone I want. I am NOT trying to prevent you from making a fool of yourself in public. I just don't feel like wasting my time on your ignorance.
Finally, if you're one of those ignorant pieces of produce who says, 'well, I guess we'll find out who's right in the end.' with the implication that God is gonna punish me for my attitude, not only are you a stupid fuck who hasn't listened at all but you're also a coward. I'd RATHER die on my feet in opposition to an abusive twisted little fuck than spend eternity stroking his ego. Don't say you'll pray for me anyhow or whatever. That's just disrespectful, and I'd just spit in your God's face.
That's it for now. I may add some more to this later.
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Date: 2006-03-23 03:28 pm (UTC)Second, the majority of people in a religion never read or search for meaning in their whole entire lives. They don't understand that the miricle is not that they lived through a tumor, but that they are living in a world where the greatest thing to fear is each other. Some people might also consider this hellish. In eithercase, there is more of a miricle in surviving a car crash then there is being saved from disease. There are even religions that encourage you to embrace disease, as that it part of the universal plan... None the less, to people who have no clue as to what really matters in this world, pity them. Religion is still used for a lor of evil as well as some good. ... it's just that no one tells about the good anymore.
I was discussing with a freind of mine yesterday that is very cynical. He does not belive that there is any good in this world, and everyone is going to die in a ball of flame, and he just wants to be there to say "I told you so." ... he's not an unhappy person, just feels a little forsaken. He is the type of person who you could show a series of maps of the destruction of the ozone layer, and he would want more proof. He, in his own way, has a very weird faith. The first example of good I could think of happens right here in this motel complex. We have a missionary group that swings by once a week. They have a mobile trailer, and a few terminals where they are teaching people how to use the current version of office. They ask for nothing for this service, they don't even preach to you. They just offer to teach you a skill that will help you get a better job, so that you have some hope to get out of this place and to a better one.
... Which he promptly put down as a plot for the greed of Bill Gates.
It blows away my mind the level of good people are willing to dismiss because they do not belive that it could happen. People go out of their way to look for the bad, because they do not belive that they ever have anything good happen to them. I can't express how sad it makes me that people reject things that are good because they are too focused on the bad.
... and enough of the last rant...
3) And this is just a personal nitpick that can be ignored. If we go by Genisis, we see that God did not give man the universe. Heck, he didn't even give him a Planet... he gave us a garden. A tiny one, that held all we could ever need, if we just let ourselves live in ignorance of ourselves. No where EVER does it tell us we are masters of the universe. We aren't even masters of this world. It is arrogance and human stupidity that lets us pretend we are, cause we have not been blue bolted in such a long time. It's clear thinkers like you, who don't take stock in what other people say, and take a look around at what is going on, that help the world survive.
And that is mostly what I have to say about that...
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Date: 2006-03-24 08:04 am (UTC)Second paragraph is gibberish.
Third paragraph is pointless. They aren't doing it for 'free'. They're doing it to buy their way into Heaven and so what if religious groups occassionally do good deeds. Drug lords often help the people of their local village and put their kids through college so that they can grow up to be smart enforcers. The mafia does the same thing. One need not be a good person to do a 'good deed'. You can find 'good' in any group of intimidators if you care to look for it. Even spousal abusers tend to be very nice to their victim for a while.
The King James bible, which is often cited by aggressively anti-vegetarian christians says some drivel like, 'And he created man to rule over the beasts'. You can argue that it could be interpretedted 'take care of the beasts' or 'stewarts of the world' but it doesn't matter. It's a power fantasy any way you look at it and the way the majority of the religious interpret it with themselves a close second beneath their God.
Please take your drunken kung fu elsewhere.
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Date: 2006-03-24 12:55 pm (UTC)The king james bible was the first version of the bible in english. Don't forget that it was "translate" from various sources, so a bunch of mistranslations could be in there. ;)
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Date: 2006-03-24 02:47 pm (UTC)Your Genesis comment
Date: 2006-03-24 04:20 pm (UTC)If you accept Jesus within you, as your Lord, Master and Savior, you, too, will have ALL the powers within you that He had on earth, and as creator of the universes. However, you must cleanse yourself of sin and unrighteousness in the process. If you try to use that kind of power without being reconciled to God, and enmeshed with Him first, you are doing what is commonly known as witchcraft. The Bible calls that a sin.
1 Corinthians 6:8-10 (King James Version)
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
When you find HIM - you won't need to waste time in these journals. I came across these journals by accident, but then, perhaps the Lord sent me - I was once where you are now. There really is a better place to be.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Re: Your Genesis comment
Date: 2006-03-24 04:53 pm (UTC)THIS is exactly what I am talking about. You let people read you the bible, but you don't COMPREHEND it. You read parts and quote parts, but none of it is conected.
It is not that God has forgiven us for Adam's sin. He never needed to do that, for we are not Adam or Eve. It is forgiveness for all the things that we have do that is needing to be forgiven. But to forgive is not to take back. Saying "I am sorry" does not make everything right. You do not have the right to claim things that were taken away from you by God.
Furthermore, I dare you to prove you have even the slightest abilities that you claim to have been given. Take a loaf of bread and feed an army with just that one. Take a wine skin and share it with as many. Heck, lay a hand on a real wound, a bleeding one, and make it disappear.
While you might let God work through you, you do not have his power, he does. If you let yourself be used by him, that's fine. I have no issue with that, but don't go around proclaiming a power you do not possess. That is blasphomy.