Venting some annoyance

[pasithea]

Okay, I'm really sick of hearing "WAAAH SECOND AMENDMENT" with regard to these bozos who have been showing up at town hall meetings with guns.

Second amendment doesn't have a fucking goddamned thing to do with it. They are attempting to violate the First amendment rights of people.

These guys are NO DIFFERENT from the assholes in Afghanistan that threaten to kill women if they vote. Would it be okay if they stood outside polling place when you went to vote, maybe looked over your shoulder?

They aren't standing up to a corrupt government, they're trying to threaten THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES who are trying to participate in their government. They're attempting to capitalize on the right-wing spree killings of the past few months to scare people away from listening to rational debate. In fact, rational debate is the last thing they want.

Did we see the left running around with guns trying to override the legal process when Bush was appointed by the court, or did you see us put faith in the system and work harder to organize and get rid of the asshole by getting people's eyes open to the bullshit that was going on.

Hey guys, you lost! You lost bad because guess what, the system still works! We the people said: "We're sick of this shit." We didn't throw temper tantrums like a three year old and run around making the implied threat that we might physically harm you for not agreeing with us. You guys even had hundreds of huge multinational corporations on your side, but we beat you even in your rigged contest.

Now stop your fucking whining and quit trying to kick over the chess board. Try acting like a grown-up. If you don't like how things are being handled, how about presenting some intelligent arguments instead of screaming as loud as you can while plugging your ears and stamping your feet or trying to bully people.

Or hey, I remember the slogan you guys used, "If you don't like it, leave it." You could go to the virtual utopia for your kind that Boss Bush created over in Afghanistan. Your infantile behavior would fit in perfectly with the corrupt political system left in the wake of the mindset you support.

Now me on the other hand? I don't need a gun to beat you and I'm not afraid of you. I'm not thrilled with the government we have right now either but I'll work within the rules to bring people to my view. If your ideas were any good, do you really think you'd have to intimidate people to make them agree with you?

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[paka.livejournal.com]

A variant on your post;

I feel like people should not show up armed in front of the President, period; I don't care if you're right or left, or what the President is like - I know enough left-wing Second Amendment rights types that I don't automatically assume anyone who shows up with a gun is a right-winger. But, that just says oh, we've given up on discussing things, we feel like it is neccessary to show our capacity for force. And I feel like showing up armed hampers the job of the Secret Service in trying to protect the President; even if the President is crap like Bush or Reagan, he deserves to be protected as best as humanly possible because of what his job is and what he technically stands for, and that to me includes private citizens' co-operation. The whole thing bothers me on a civics level.

I feel like the Second Amendment is important, but I don't like how most of the supporters tend to talk about it.

[dv-girl.livejournal.com]

.. but I don't like how most of the supporters tend to talk about it.


Totally agree. Especially since their attitude tends to feed back into that sort of negative mental space where gun=penis substitute because they seriously act like you're talking about slamming their junk in a car door or something.

I try to have respect for people who have different opinions from my own and honestly, I have nothing at all against gun ownership. Personally, I think they're unnecessary for 90% of the world's population but so is TV and Pizza. If they want to buy junk, that's their business.

However, the way these people present themselves and the infantile behavior they display hits some contempt and disgust buttons pretty hard.

[paka.livejournal.com]

It's just; you're never going to successfully launch an armed revolt or whatever, so the whole "I'm protecting my freedoms" is total bullshit - even more so when the gun owner in question is right wing and obviously doesn't seem to care a damn about any other freedoms. Most of the time guns are totally useless against small scale crime too - so the whole line to me about "well if someone had a gun, the situation would never have gotten out of control" seems like bullshit to me, too. It always seems to me like there's a huge chance for misfires and accidentally shooting other people in panicky situations - I think in a lot of them if someone had been armed it'd make the situation worse. Politicians shy away from anything that seems like gun control because it makes abortion look like a topic everyone agrees on, so the whole "evil democrats are going to take mah guns!" attitude is just total bullshit.

So if you want to own a gun because you like hunting, or because gun collections are cool, or because going to the range and popping off several rounds is fun, all of these are just great by me. I actually kinda want to own stuff, eventually. But I hate this idea of defending fun hobbies by conflating them to this messianic great rebellious whatever thing, you know?