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Sep. 10th, 2008 04:51 pm
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At four points in the tunnel, the scientist will use giant magnets to cross the beams and cause protons to collide.

I thought I'd chime in on the necroequinesadism just because proton beams and crossing the streams reminded me of something I saw once.

As for the whole 'micro blackhole destroying the Earth' thing that people have been going on about. Wouldn't it probably be the case that if that happened, we who're far away from the LHC would have a nearly infinite amount of time to figure out a way to escape the effect? The event horizon would be tiny and time slows to nearly a stop at the event horizon (if I understand things correctly, which there's a good chance I don't) But probably it would take a very long time before we'd have to worry about it.

Weird thought. what if black holes are entirely new universes, each containing their own universes, our entirely multiverse just being a bit set of sieves pouring one into the next, each one containing an infinite amount of matter and an infinite amount of time. What if our universe is at the bottom of a black hole and all the 'missing' matter is the material from that universe that ours hasn't absorbed yet or all of it we've poured off into the creation of the next level of universes.

Heh. Even more tangent idea. Wouldn't that make a neat story? Universes live at the bottoms of black holes created by the sentient races and the ideas and beliefs of the people at the 'ground zero' planet of that creation comprise the rules of the child universe. Earth and all the life on it is nothing but the DNA of a single egg cell for the birth of the next universe/god-creature, and every other black hole we've seen in our parent universe was formed by a sibling. Perhaps we've been the angels dancing on the head of a pin all along.

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Date: 2008-09-11 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sci.livejournal.com
RE: time dilation
Yes, time would subjectively slow down almost infinitely near the event horizon. However that means you need to be near the event horizon to experience it, and you will be long dead by the time you reach that point.
On the surface of the earth we're effectively unaware that we have a slightly greater gravitational field on our feet than we do our heads. Presuming you were to somehow survive the crushing forces, acceleration and debris, at some point due to the curve of the gravitational well, the points of yours body closer to the hole will be accelerating away from the rest of you that isn't quite as close. Your body will stretch longer and longer until breaking to pieces, well before getting to the event horizon.

The entire earth compressed by a black hole would be about the size of a pea. If one were formed, it would immediately fall toward the centre of the earth, and begin orbiting the general centre of the planet's gravity well, consuming whatever matter it came into contact with. It would grow exponentially, sucking up the planets mantle. It wouldn't be neat and tidy like the video on youtube, on whatever time-scale there would be earthquakes worse than when the moon was smashed out of the planets molten beginning. The crust will crack, flip and be pulled in from all directions. The chances of anyone surviving a 10^10Ricter-scale quake to appreciate the singularity even for a moment is rather slim.

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Date: 2008-09-11 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yetanotherbob.livejournal.com
Mandatory link. And yes, if you want to think about it that way, it could be said that our universe is a black hole, in that no light escapes it and it's cut off from whatever might be outside it.

Anyways, I could see the headlines now. "Fundamentalists groups fear they won't be the ones who get to destroy earth."

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Date: 2008-09-11 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ff00ff.livejournal.com
How are you sure that no light escapes our universe?

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Date: 2008-09-11 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yetanotherbob.livejournal.com
Um, um, um, it's turtles, all the way down!

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Date: 2008-09-11 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv-girl.livejournal.com
My god.. It's full of turtles....

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Date: 2008-09-11 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ff00ff.livejournal.com
A micro black hole cant last long. A black hole needs to feed itself, you know, and without a huge amount of mass to generate gravity to draw more matter into it a black hole will just evaporate into hawking radiation. Micro black holes are not dangerous, they are your friends. Still I wonder what would happen if I put my finger into one. Would I just see it freeze and red-shift as it passes over the event horizon? Would I have a black hole stuck to my finger, or would I be able to move it around? Would I feel my finger being destroyed? From the observation point of my head my finger never would be destroyed, it would never move.

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Date: 2008-09-11 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kajarainbow.livejournal.com
I might as well ask this: what would happened if someone was compressed by outside forces to the smallest possible volume? A micro black hole, or what? Would the results be any danger at all?

Just curious. Pondering a frankly absurd scenario.

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