Epistle, Apostle, someone's a little Hostile

[pasithea]

So here's that other homophobic bit of the bible, once again complete with surrounding text rather than chopped to one line. I'll dissect it in a moment, but first, let's take a moment to review.

Now, we already saw that right-wingers have deliberately misread the passage about Sodom, citing 'bring them out so we may know them' as proof that the sodomites had the gay. However, as we later see in Ezekel, the sin of Sodom is being an uncharitable and mean to strangers in town.

And now, let me summon from my own pantheon, the almighty power of grep. Lo, ye christians, fear grep for he is mighty and will show you the err of your ways.

There are 14 uses of the phrase 'know them' including the Sodom story. About 5 of them dealing with Jesus and children. So is Jesus then a pedophile?

There are 19 uses of the phrase 'know him' many of which are people saying 'bring him to Jesus so they may know him. Is Jesus having orgies with everyone who converts?

So, Sodom is lost. Completely out. It has absolutely nothing to do with teh gay.

I'll give you the Leviticus line about how a man shall not lay with another man, IF you agree to keep all of the other health code rules from Leviticus.

Of course, you can always fall back on the Epistle of Paul the Apostle. Sure, it wasn't said by God or Jesus, it was said by Paul, writing for God, but where do we see his authority in this matter? Isn't he always looking to Jesus for his cues? Why does he make this one strange proclaimation from God and not from Jesus?

Here's the full text along with the surrounding lines:

1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts
of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and
served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.
Amen.

1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.


Okay. You read it once. Read it again. Pay particular attention to 1:29. How many of those words have to do with sex and how many with being mean to one another?

Those two lines stink of something that's been deliberately mistranslated. I suspect they have something to do with adultery.

While not proof positive, let me consult grep again and give you a few statistics.

Adultery: Mentioned 66 times as a no-no.
Whoring: 76 times.
Bear False Witness: 24 times.
Worshipping other gods: 231 times.
Molten 39 times, Graven 55 times.
Thou shalt not kill: 26 times.
Love Neighbor/Stranger: 18 times.
Don't work on the Sabbath: SIX HUNDRED THIRTY THREE TIMES.

If teh gay is so important, why is it only mentioned like twice? That's just not the way things are written in the bible.

Comments

[kyhwana.livejournal.com]

I suspect that the "know him" line is poorly translated and in theory it could be different words all translated into "know him/them"

Also, the main text seems to (me) say that they "burned in lust" for each other because of something they did or thought or didn't do. ie "Professing themselves to be wise". It seems to be more of a story about a bunch of people who didn't follow gods law or misinterpreted what god wanted them do/etc.

And plus how you shouldn't judge other people, or else.

[qdot.livejournal.com]

Grepping the bible. I think you've got yourself an O'Reilly book deal waiting to happen there.

[dv-girl.livejournal.com]

Eek!

I mean um.. Hi!

My name is Fred, I live in lower Imadeitupia. Have we met?