Cruci-fiction

[pasithea]

It's so obvious! I can't believe I've never noticed this before.

From the Jew-hatin' book of Saint John, I bring you a bit of dogma.

19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already,
they brake not his legs:

19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear
pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

Jesus hadn't eaten or drank in like two days at this point and he'd had nails driven in his hands and feet and lost blood.

If he were really dead, all his blood would have been settled in his feet. He would barely have bled at all from being pierced in the side.

He was NOT dead when they pronounced him dead.

A roman soldier that had handled lots of executions probably would have known this. One wonders why Judas sold out his love so quickly and suddenly. What if it was all a scam? I mean, he's redressed in his clothes when he's strung up. Easy to hide some stage blood. Certainly the greek plays had death scenes at least as convincing.

The other possibility, of course, is that the writers hammed it up to make it more goth, but the way the book is written, such that it's closing lots of plot holes, one would expect that to be better researched, were it the case.

By the way, reading how he answered questions and the 'miracles' he performed. Compare and contrast with the monk Rasputin. Same kind of charlitan. There are still fakirs performing these 'miracles' today and for the past couple thousand years, christians have been executing them for their crimes.

The book of Saint John is pretty repugnant. All kinds of things have been reworded to make 'The Jews' the villians, yet it was totally God's law. Suffer not a witch to live, worship not false idols, etc. Also worth pointing out there were several earlier would-be messiahs and they'd made things really bad for the jews prior to Jesus and after him too.

Anyhow. Food for thought, no?

Comments

[voidheart.livejournal.com]

And don't forget the mistransations. You know the "suffer not a witch to live" quote? The actual quote in hebrew is "suffer not a poisoner to live" (which, when you think about it, is pretty sage advice ... along the same veins as "don't eat the fuzzy pork that's been sitting out for 3 days"). But they weren't exactly as learned as they thought when they translated the damn thing. Makes you wonder how many things were mistranslated, and how often on purpose ...

[kyhwana.livejournal.com]

A lot. Even before it was translated into english!

[hakeber.livejournal.com]

Actually, I seem to remember from somewhere that fluids accumulate in the thoracic cavity after death, which would be why they say they saw water as well as blood. Wasn't water, but would have looked like water.

[dv-girl.livejournal.com]

The dead also usually piss themselves but I see no mention of that either.

[hakeber.livejournal.com]

*snickers* Probably thought that was just too icky and would spoil the mood.

[nikki-nmt.livejournal.com]

Having once been a christian... The explanation that is given for the "water and blood" thing that was fed to me is once someone is dead and their blood stops circulating, the "blood" falls out of the blood (ie red blood cells). Thus when one whom is dead is pricked, there should be a clear portion and a red portion.

Yeah.. Once old enough to start thinking for myself, I didn't really buy into it either.

[paka.livejournal.com]

Technically... mm. Okay, Romans didn't crucify as this neat tidy thing like you always see as a representation. It's this nasty thing where someone's basically forced into a semi-sitting position and pretty much chokes to death on their own lungs. I'm curious whether that's what this is talking about - basically someone jabs this part of the torso where blood and condensate has pooled thanks to the seated position.

But that also makes the "brake not his legs" line kind of weird.

[liberationparty.livejournal.com]

Didn't they break the legs of the crucified in order to hasten the process of asphyxiation if he wasn't dying fast enough for someone's convenience? Instead of having the (excruciating) option of pushing his weight up slightly on his feet in order to breathe, he'd just croak. A literally dead man doesn't need to have his death hurried along, ergo, no broken legs.

[salia-chan.livejournal.com]

Um. If I remember right, it had to do with if someone allready in such a state had something like the large tauma like having their legs broken, the shock of that would make them die faster, or something similar. If I remember right. x.x